Any Sense that we'll get MP4 capability?

[Scarpad]

I would like at the very least the ability to play MP4 vids on the S9, any sense that Cowon will add this in the future?

[Ramzii]

Dont know, think they let it out for a reason.
Im guessing a financial reason, makes sense cuz they didnt incorporate x264 & mkv support.

Who knows, maybe a future update will make us all happy?

[bdroc]

no...it is unlikely that companies add support for new formats in firmware...you usually see improved capability for formats, but rarely new ones (though not never... ie..sansa clip added flac at one pt.)

[silvos3189]

and didn't cowon just add... uh.. wmv?

[Ramzii]

Originally Posted by silvos3189

and didn't cowon just add... uh.. wmv?

well, no.. they improved some WMV codecs.
wmv always was supported along with divx/xvid.

I would like at the very least the ability to play MP4 vids on the S9

Funny, I just removed this .mp4 movie from my S9, a real bummer it didnt work.
I actually forgot it was .mp4 and just wasted 20 minutes placing/removing the 1,4 gb movie.. :')

[daver]

isn't MP4 similar to Xvid? i may be way off base here, but it was my understanding that MP4 and AVI are essentially containers, and that within these containers you could effectively use the same compression algorithms/techniques/whatever...

if my understanding is correct (fingers crossed), then MP4 shouldn't be too hard to include in a firmware update?

[ur14]

Psst..

MP4 is only a container, not a video codec.
so is MKV

H.264 is what we should be wanting...

[daver]

Originally Posted by ur14

Psst..

MP4 is only a container, not a video codec.

right, that's what i meant, codec. i can't believe i forgot the term

even still, if MP4 is a container that can have the same codecs as an AVI, then why not support MP4?

so is MKV

H.264 is what we should be wanting...

i agree, MKV should definitely be included. as soon as i get my S9 (i'm patient enough for a solid "yes it's here" or "no, we're not making one" from Cowon), i'll be sure to voice my complaints (if it's not supported by then).

[Headcased]

Well first off it has been in the specification were reassessed for the S9 it did say that it would play H.264. cowon will implement, but when who knows.

Anyway my opinion doesn’t matter has I have hard evidence, just open up the s9 raw binaries (firmware) and you will clearly see as plane as day strings with H.264 in it lord knows its 500mhz dual soc can cope with it.



Is That enough evidences for you its coming guys we will just have to wait.

Anyway if your interested use you favoured text viewer or hex editor

I used Winhex and used it's tool to dump all strings in one handy text file.

I think Winhex offers a trail if not there always Vim



Theirs also mp4 strings

I carn't remember the offset

[daver]

Originally Posted by Headcase

Is That enough evidences for you

yes

its coming guys we will just have to wait.

that's all we have to do, wait

and wait, and wait. kind of like waiting for the 32GB version.

i'll just keep dreaming that when the 32gb version comes out, Cowon will release firmware 2.11 with MP4 and limited H.264 support. of course, later firmwares will have better H.264 support (i can dream, can't i?)

[Headcased]

I don’t see any other reason for have the strings in there. I haven’t seen them in the d2 firmware.

I just hope that it not just the left over’s of cowon’s implementation of the nebular OS


Dose anybody know how many other cowon devices use the Nebular RTOS ?

[Richard B.]

samsung yepp - yp-p3 does h.264 right out of the box.

[gorgi]

Originally Posted by Richard B.

samsung yepp - yp-p3 does h.264 right out of the box.

Sensational

I don't care about the lack of h.264-support. I think Cowon works on it.

[4DThinker]

I'd sure like MP4/h.264 support. I have several ways to make movies in that format from any VHS, DVD, video camera, or even security camera.

[Headcased]

If you look at the specs of Telchips 7091 (I don’t know which version) 500mhz you can do a hell of a lot

Hears what would be possible

Audio Codec : MP3, WMA, ADPCM, OGG, AAC V2, AMR, AC3, BSAC
Video Codec : MPEG2, WMV, H.263, H.264, MPEG4
Still Image Codec: JPEG, BMP, PNG
DRM : MTP, WMDRM10(PFS2.0),JDRM, OMA
Broadcast : T-DMB, DVB-T, DVB-H, ISDB-T, CAS
Storage : NAND, SD/MMC, HDD, Harp, MoviNAND, USB
3D Solution : 3D UI
Function : TV Out, Camcorder, Camera, GPS
Wireless Solution : Bluetooth, WiFi
Firmware Upgrade : USB, SD
OS : Nucleus , WinCE 5.0, Linux

I would of preferred a Linux os rather than a nucleus os

So I diced to look though latest beta that cowon issued here my findings

Interesting strings that I found

Video Capture

Build date 2009.02.28

Boot Rom ?
ROM SIZE BIG

sorce file for demuxing H.264
H264 TCCDemuxTask.c

mpeg4 width-height

dab stuff

ACC stuff
MPEG4Audio



Video file audio decodeing stuff for AC3 WAV ACC MP2
AC3 WAV AAC MP2 TimePos

divx stuff
DivX Caption Seek Failed!

Streaming Stuff
Connected, stream open

bootstarp stuff

memory allocations for h.264
verious refrenses to Telechips SDK


drm trash

web stuff maybe over Blutooth
http 1.1 refrenses

debug stuff (intresting) more investigation need

as to it os looks like a mash up might be based on Nucleus RTOS
but Probably proprietary Telechips os built with there SDK