Prevent Bricking your S9! (Win, Linux, Mac) - Page 5

Vulture · 03-07-2010, 17:25

It's strange but with XP after 'Safely Remove Drive' the s9 displays 'Disconnected' but when I do this with Vista it still says 'Connected' =s

Joe_Linux · 03-14-2010, 17:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vulture

It's strange but with XP after 'Safely Remove Drive' the s9 displays 'Disconnected' but when I do this with Vista it still says 'Connected' =s

Hard to know if the issue is with XP, Vista, or the S9.

Vulture · 03-15-2010, 14:51

Probably not XP nor the s9 (I think) since they disconnect properly.

I bet it's Vista. They implemented something so your PMP (or whatever) didn't have to be safely removed. But actually that message "You can now safely remove your..." is just a way to be sure nothing is transferring, I think you can just remove it when all transfers have finished though I'm not sure.

Does anyone have this 'issue' ?

pallokallo · 03-15-2010, 16:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe_Linux

Hard to know if the issue is with XP, Vista, or the S9.

I had XP too and when i safely removed the device cowon s9 displayed disconnected. Now I'm using Windows 7 and cowon doesnt display disconnected when "safe remove blabla" is used but it works so doesn't matter that much.

lane32x · 03-16-2010, 19:08

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Originally Posted by Vulture

Probably not XP nor the s9 (I think) since they disconnect properly.

I bet it's Vista. They implemented something so your PMP (or whatever) didn't have to be safely removed. But actually that message "You can now safely remove your..." is just a way to be sure nothing is transferring, I think you can just remove it when all transfers have finished though I'm not sure.

Does anyone have this 'issue' ?

Right. it's a way to verify that ALL writing to the device has stopped.

However, if you are transferring files, you shouldn't just yank the USB cable out the second that windows closes the File Transfer dialog. It still writes things to the S9 in the background, even if it's not telling you what it is doing. Hence why so many have bricked their players.

Vulture · 03-17-2010, 13:00

Just what I thought. =)

The only way I could brick my s9 is when either my vista encounters a bsod (which sadly happens quite often) or my dad's xp gets stuck (it tends to do this when an mp3 player is connected =s)

JunglePimp · 03-17-2010, 13:14

Really valuable info Lane. Props.
Thread stuck.

lane32x · 03-17-2010, 14:41

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Originally Posted by JunglePimp

Really valuable info Lane. Props.
Thread stuck.

w00t! thanks.

I try

elohjm · 03-21-2010, 17:33

Hey guys,
I'm not into buying a cowon S9, but I've got something like an "idea"

How about just turning your pc off instead of this safely remove thing?
Or another way, you could first savely remove and then turn your pc off.
I think turning it off does the same as safely remove, as it "safely removes" every partition on your harddisk.

lane32x · 03-21-2010, 22:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by elohjm

Hey guys,
I'm not into buying a cowon S9, but I've got something like an "idea"

How about just turning your pc off instead of this safely remove thing?
Or another way, you could first savely remove and then turn your pc off.
I think turning it off does the same as safely remove, as it "safely removes" every partition on your harddisk.

I've been forced to do this a few times.

It's not such an efficient way to live you life though:

"OK, I just finished with my jump drive, now I should shut down my computer so I can plug in my S9. <waits for computer to boot back up and start all programs again> Ok, just finished using my S9, now I need to reboot again so that I can use my Sansa e250 <reboots again...etc...>

cygnus · 04-28-2010, 14:21

http://iaudiophile.net/forums/showthread.php?t=32812

The above link from the first post in this thread shows up as "Deleted". Fortunately, I haven't bricked anything yet, but has the content been moved elsewhere? I don't see anything in the wiki, etc...

How to recover S9 from a bricked state (Invalid Resources) on Linux
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Mr. Black · 04-28-2010, 15:39

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Originally Posted by cygnus

http://iaudiophile.net/forums/showthread.php?t=32812

The above link from the first post in this thread shows up as "Deleted". Fortunately, I haven't bricked anything yet, but has the content been moved elsewhere? I don't see anything in the wiki, etc...

How to recover S9 from a bricked state (Invalid Resources) on Linux
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Last edited by FLACvest; 03-17-2010 at 18:40.

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barneystinson · 06-04-2010, 00:49

Can anyone help diagnose my problem?
My S9 won't turn on or won't even charge. I let the battery die completely and put it on the charger. After an hour to check on the status, it won't even turn on and i dont know if it even charged. I hooked it up to the PC and it also won't charge or turn on. It shouldnt be the outlet cuz it charges my phone fine.

Any thoughts?

lane32x · 06-04-2010, 02:04

Li-Ion batteries CAN get below their "minimum charge level" at which point they cannot be charged again (or not easily).
...but on advanced devices like our beloved S9, this is pretty difficult to do.

First thing I would try is plugging it into an AC to USB adapter and see if the wall can give it a charge
If that doesn't work, call(or email) Cowon's Tech support. I hear they are pretty good about these things.

shadowmaster · 07-01-2010, 11:51

I bricked my tiny small Philipps MP3 player about 5 times, but Philipps has a software to burn a new firmware on that thing. That wipes everything, but it recovers as well. When the Philips 2640 bricks it is "unknown device".

The Cowon S9 bricking seems to be similar, and I got my Cowon S9 today and have some doubts because I intend to buy the 32 GB model as refufb and give back the 8 GB model.

I found a way to prevent bricking my MP3 player:

1.) in XP SP2 sometimes the "save removal" function crashes in rundll32.dll. In that case the device is STILL CONNECTED AND WILL DIE IF DISCONNECTED. Go to device manager and deactivate the device, then you can remove it.

2.) in XP, Vista and W7 it is possible to chose an option "optimize drive for fast removal". That prevents programs from "late writes" in the background. This should be done with all media players accessible as Mass Storage Class device. Microsoft says this should be done for USB sticks and similar devices.

3.) the indexing service of windows does a bad job - it starts unwanted in the background, reads all files and tries to build an index file on the device itself. If removed during that the FS is probably corrupted. Turn indexing on these drives off!

4.) in Linux it is possible to configure this as well, but I don't remember the precise place. Probably /etc/fstab or similar but this was in 2.4 kernel. Now, in 2.6 lot of things changed.

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lane32x Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 788	Li-Ion batteries CAN get below their "minimum charge level" at which point they cannot be charged again (or not easily). ...but on advanced devices like our beloved S9, this is pretty difficult to do. First thing I would try is plugging it into an AC to USB adapter and see if the wall can give it a charge If that doesn't work, call(or email) Cowon's Tech support. I hear they are pretty good about these things. __________________ Cowon S9 {dap} Infinity Kappa {car speakers} Monster Turbines & Sennheiser px100 {awesome} (\___/) (='.'=) (")_(") This bunny wishes it was as cool as Petra's dragon signature.

07-01-2010, 11:51	#75
shadowmaster Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 3	I bricked my tiny small Philipps MP3 player about 5 times, but Philipps has a software to burn a new firmware on that thing. That wipes everything, but it recovers as well. When the Philips 2640 bricks it is "unknown device". The Cowon S9 bricking seems to be similar, and I got my Cowon S9 today and have some doubts because I intend to buy the 32 GB model as refufb and give back the 8 GB model. I found a way to prevent bricking my MP3 player: 1.) in XP SP2 sometimes the "save removal" function crashes in rundll32.dll. In that case the device is STILL CONNECTED AND WILL DIE IF DISCONNECTED. Go to device manager and deactivate the device, then you can remove it. 2.) in XP, Vista and W7 it is possible to chose an option "optimize drive for fast removal". That prevents programs from "late writes" in the background. This should be done with all media players accessible as Mass Storage Class device. Microsoft says this should be done for USB sticks and similar devices. 3.) the indexing service of windows does a bad job - it starts unwanted in the background, reads all files and tries to build an index file on the device itself. If removed during that the FS is probably corrupted. Turn indexing on these drives off! 4.) in Linux it is possible to configure this as well, but I don't remember the precise place. Probably /etc/fstab or similar but this was in 2.4 kernel. Now, in 2.6 lot of things changed. Last edited by shadowmaster; 07-01-2010 at 11:53.. Reason: x

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03-07-2010, 17:25	#61
Vulture Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 215	It's strange but with XP after 'Safely Remove Drive' the s9 displays 'Disconnected' but when I do this with Vista it still says 'Connected' =s

03-15-2010, 14:51	#63
Vulture Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 215	Probably not XP nor the s9 (I think) since they disconnect properly. I bet it's Vista. They implemented something so your PMP (or whatever) didn't have to be safely removed. But actually that message "You can now safely remove your..." is just a way to be sure nothing is transferring, I think you can just remove it when all transfers have finished though I'm not sure. Does anyone have this 'issue' ?

03-17-2010, 13:00	#66
Vulture Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 215	Just what I thought. =) The only way I could brick my s9 is when either my vista encounters a bsod (which sadly happens quite often) or my dad's xp gets stuck (it tends to do this when an mp3 player is connected =s)

03-21-2010, 17:33	#69
elohjm Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 5	Hey guys, I'm not into buying a cowon S9, but I've got something like an "idea" How about just turning your pc off instead of this safely remove thing? Or another way, you could first savely remove and then turn your pc off. I think turning it off does the same as safely remove, as it "safely removes" every partition on your harddisk.

04-28-2010, 14:21	#71
cygnus Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 5	http://iaudiophile.net/forums/showthread.php?t=32812 The above link from the first post in this thread shows up as "Deleted". Fortunately, I haven't bricked anything yet, but has the content been moved elsewhere? I don't see anything in the wiki, etc... How to recover S9 from a bricked state (Invalid Resources) on Linux Deleted Last edited by FLACvest; 03-17-2010 at 18:40.

06-04-2010, 00:49	#73
barneystinson Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 4	Can anyone help diagnose my problem? My S9 won't turn on or won't even charge. I let the battery die completely and put it on the charger. After an hour to check on the status, it won't even turn on and i dont know if it even charged. I hooked it up to the PC and it also won't charge or turn on. It shouldnt be the outlet cuz it charges my phone fine. Any thoughts?