BBE Pro App for iOS vs BBE on Cowon?

[auxiliary]

Anyone tried the BBE Pro app on iOS? Does it do much for iPhone SQ?

How does it compare to, say, a D2 running BBE? Or any other Cowon for that matter, in your opinion?

I had no idea I could get BBE onto my iPhone, I'm actually quite excited, surely it's worth a punt at £2, no?

I usually listen to my Clip on flat EQ, but with my Cowons, generally used flat plus BBE on 3.

EDIT: The FAQ explains that the app cannot be used for video playback. I.e. it's music only. Now we know why Cowon could never manage to get BBE working for video on players like the O2 - it was a restriction set by BBE.
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[AshenTech]

RANT

couldnt care less if apple has a bbe app, lack of custom eq to tweak for various iem's/cans i have sucks.(sorry but flat eq only works great if the iem's/cans your using are balanced perfectly for your music/taste, none I have ever used are perfect, so i eq to get as close to "perfect" as i can.

show me an apple product that gets around 50hrs of acctual battery life in real world use like my c2.

My guess would be that its like the EQ app thats out there, helps, but isnt perfect.

oh yeah, also find me an apple product that supports ogg vorbis and/or flac.

I would much rather spend my money on a cowon then any apple product, for my money i get what i would consider to be a higher level of quality in the hardware, even if the early firmwares are buggy (c2/x7/s9/d2 all have had bugs in early firmwares, but cowon is good about updating their players for the most part)

having used an x7 and having owned a couple ipod classics(but at the time not knowing of rockbox if it worked on them) and would take a cowon over the stock firmware even if i had to re-flash the player regularly

so yeah, thats where I stand, I dont like apple products or their iTarded iDiot fan base/fanboi's.

EDIT: Added a rant tag for dfkt and wanted to clarify, not all users of apple products are iTards or iDiots, but the vast majority are, and the worst part is they are proud of it, they are proud that they know nothing about the devices they use or how those devices work, Its the pride in ignorance that gets to me almost as much as their fanboi rants.

I dont go on apple related forums/irc/exct and rant about how horrible osx or ipods or iphones are, but At least once a day I see a proudly ignorant apple use do exactly that, hell last night one was bragging he knew NOTHING about any of his mac's and that its a good thing to not know anything about the systems you use....but he also insisted mac's cant get malware or viruses....then he got glined by the irc op LOL

/rant

[Peaceful1]

^^^^^^^^
there are lots of advanced equalizers in apple store

[dfkt]

Auxiliary, damn, thanks for the info - now they should license it for Android phones as well. That means I could get a better Android thing than my D3, and still get to use Rockbox with BBE.

AshenTech, please mark your post with a huge red RANT or something... This thread is about BBE, not how much you hate Apple. It's ok that you don't like them, but no need to insult people as retards and idiots. Also, get your facts straight: iProducts do play FLAC/Vorbis in the meantime (not that this is important to the majority of people), and their newer hardware is technically superior to Cowons (no bass roll-off with low impedance phones, better channel crosstalk, real line-out, etc). Not to mention, a Rockbox port for iOS is in early development stages already.

[Peaceful1]

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how can you use rockbox with BBE I think the BBE thing is a separate music player ?!

That means I could get a better Android thing than my D3, and still get to use Rockbox with BBE.

I guess you mean Z1000

[dfkt]

BBE on the D3 is a global setting, it works with any audio or video player you install. This is how it should be done, Cowon got that one right.

Nah, the Z1000 doesn't look good to me at all - not enough hardware buttons, no SD slot, very crappy audio/video codec support.

EDIT: I think I misunderstood you. Yes, it seems BBE for iOS is a full player on its own, not a system audio setting. Well, that's no good, then.

[AshenTech]

huh, last time i checked my buddies iphone4 said it didnt support flac, just alac.....oh i see, its a 3rd party app....10bucks to play flac....meh....I will take my 48gb of space on my c2 over that....or the same 48gb space i had on my d2+(miss that thing!!!)

im guessing you have to jailbreak to use rockbox features on the iphone since apple would likely not allow a rockbox app on their appstore service....

and yeah, from what i have found looking into this, its a standalone player havent found a full list of codecs it supports tho.

and by flac/ogg support, I mean without having to buy another app or jailbreak, not that I care about having to jailbreak, Just that most users of apple products dont know how and/or are afrade to do it because apple blames every problem with an iphone/itouch on jailbreaking...(like the ip4 that caught fire on a plane recently)

sorry I guess this is a bit of a rant, but, I really dont like apple as a company, its not really their products I have a problem with, its the company and the bulk of their user base.

sorry dfkt but the vast majority of apple users I deal with are really really stupid, i mean worse then the average windows user(and thats pretty bad).

Hows the output power on the latist itouch? asking because the one I won a few years back was pretty weak compared to my samsung, cowons and even fuze's....

[auxiliary]

Ashen this is a BBE thread, nothing more - stay focussed. You can hate Apple, many do who cares? From someone who's taught kids who are actually disabled (in your vernacular, "retarded"), language like "iTard" etc doesn't go down well for most of us. It's not about political correctness, it's about human respect for others my friend.

Now then, back to topic. I downloaded the BBE app for iPhone, and folks it does wonders even through some HD650s hooked up through a tiny fiio amp. Way better than the usual bogus iPhone sound quality. As for comparisons to the D2, I can now answer my own question: the SQ really is not too far off. For me the Clip still walks it, but none too shabby.

Dfkt, thanks for the thoughts. Yep, the app is not for system wide usage, but it might present itself this way if android users ask for it. In its present state, it's a better listening experience than the standard through headphones and indeed, when docked through a proper av receiver and out to speakers.

[el maco]

Originally Posted by auxiliary

I downloaded the BBE app for iPhone,

How's the user interface? Can you make on-the-go playlists inside that app? Is it possible to browse your music albums with cover art, ordered by artist name? (I see from the pictures that there is an album list with artwork but that seems to be ordered by album name -- which is not so useful IMO.)

[auxiliary]

Originally Posted by el maco

How's the user interface? Can you make on-the-go playlists inside that app? Is it possible to browse your music albums with cover art, ordered by artist name? (I see from the pictures that there is an album list with artwork but that seems to be ordered by album name -- which is not so useful IMO.)

Banner of app screen: skip back, play, skip forward, now playing

Body of app screen: BBE settings, including Lo contour, BBE Process, iSet, Sound field, Mach3Bass, Mac3Gain

Left to right in app: playlists, artists, albums, songs, settings, so yup, can access playlists...Can browse by artist, kick into song and the album art is a rather nice looking bubble in the top left. It's not bad at all...

Originally Posted by AshenTech

do you have a list of audio formats the player supports?

All the usual Apple suspects supported natively on an iOS device. Nothing extra supported by the BBE app.

Originally Posted by AshenTech

sorry for the rants before, not trying to be an annoyance, and I felt I needed to clear up the missunderstanding about how I and many others define "iTard" or "iTarded", again how we (me and a large portion of my friends) define them is "willfully ignorant"....

Thanks for this, and I did think you knew better. Young man (and I assume you're a young man but I could be wrong!), I think your term "wilful ignorance" is much more preferable. It's certainly less insulting to the many who are likely to consider "retard" to be a pejorative term for the disabled rather than the alternative meaning you suggest.

But the point here is that there's little point in going through life with so much contempt for those whom you consider "wilfully ignorant". The truth is that most of the world's people are wilfully ignorant. Take religious belief, for example. Religious belief is the most pervasive form of irrationality in human history, and yet it still thrives despite all the evidence to the contrary. People still believe that there is some Divine Knob twiddler controlling the universe who throws a hissy fit if someone eats meat on a particular day. But what can we do about it? People remain wilfully ignorant and in the majority of cases you can't change them. Whether one would want to is a separate intellectual problem, and I hardly have the space or time to write about it here.

So what can we do? As someone who has passion (and this is a truly great quality), young man, my advice is that it is far better to channel your criticism towards something which matters. People's ignorance of the rubbish sound quality on an iPhone hardly qualifies, eh? (And on this forum, we all know it anyway!) Ask yourself what you would like your grandkids to say about about you one day? "Grandpa sure was great at pointing out that people were Apple iTarded iDiot **** sheep. Great critic he was." Or maybe instead, "Grandpa was an intellectual who influenced people with logic and evidence, and opened people's eyes." The latter requires restraint and reason as well as passion. :-) All best wishes.

[el maco]

Originally Posted by auxiliary

playlists, artists, albums, songs, settings, so yup, can access playlists...Can browse by artist, kick into song and the album art is a rather nice looking bubble in the top left.

So the "artist" view actually lists albums and shows album covers when you browse? Or can you configure the "albums" view to be sorted by artist name instead of album name? Seeing the cover art after I have selected what I want to hear is not as helpful as during the browsing.

From the pictures I see there is an access to playlists, but I meant a dynamic playlist that you can build using this app only. Can you browse to a track and schedule that to be played back later -- after whatever you're currently listening has finished (i.e. can you insert tracks to a playback queue)?

[el maco]

Originally Posted by el maco

So the "artist" view actually lists albums and shows album covers when you browse? Or can you configure the "albums" view to be sorted by artist name instead of album name?

To answer my own question: no, its apparently not possible to get the album list sorted that way. Nobody has said anything about dynamic playlists so I can only assume it's a no for them as well. A bit pity because the flawless iPhone SQ with BBE effects would have been a very tempting combination. Anyway, I'm not willing to sacrifice a good user interface for that.

[AshenTech]

do you have a list of audio formats the player supports? I know apple by default only supports a very very limited range of formats, I kinda of hope this app isnt locked into mp3/aac/alac as it may be an option for a few people i know who have iphones who are tired of carrying 2-3 devices around all the time.

note: we havent been politically allowed to use the term retarded to refer to people who are mentally challenged since I can remember, I was in Sped(special ed) thru my whole time in public school(adhd+high iq=somethings wrong with you), I have nothing against the mentally challenged, I do not refer to people as "Retarded" as the definition of retard is (depending on your source) to slow down, such as retarding a chemical reaction.

iTarded is not the same as being "retarded", when used by those I know it and iDiot are used to refer to people who are willfully ignorant, people who choose to be stupid, this is very different from having a medical/mental condition that causes you to be slow, I have little patients for those who are willfully stupid/ignorant, I have been told its because I have a high IQ...

sorry for the rants before, not trying to be an annoyance, and I felt I needed to clear up the missunderstanding about how I and many others define "iTard" or "iTarded", again how we (me and a large portion of my friends) define them is "willfully ignorant"....

well back to trying to help a friend debrick his mothers d2....so much fun when hes on the other side of the country and has little to no understanding of using a command line.....*bangs head into desk*

[Enzyme]

"Grandpa sure was great at pointing out that people were Apple iTarded iDiot **** sheep. Great critic he was." Or maybe instead, "Grandpa was an intellectual who influenced people with logic and evidence, and opened people's eyes." The latter requires restraint and reason as well as passion. :-)

"It is the active use of information, and not the passive storage, that constitutes life." - Freeman Dyson

high iq's are often offset by low eq's (not talking audio eq here), that is often ignored by people with high iq's who see themselves as superior while missing half the game, in some respect's...they are a lil retarded.

the trouble arises when you get both a high eq and iq, the only remedy there is a sense of humor.

ignorance is bliss, and tbh enviable.

[doniago]

We seem to be wandering off-topic here....